This area will feature the FASTEST FIVE SATURN CARS in their respective categories. Think your car is fast enough to be featured in the Fastest V? Send your information and mods to poc301 to have your car listed here.

Street Class
1) UnderdogSDA 13.3 (Nitrous)
2) S.Bretz 13.35 (Turbo)
3) Poc301 13.50 (Nitrous)
4) BoostedSL2 13.56 (Turbo)
5) Yardbird 13.59 (Nitrous)

Unlimited Class
1) Nefarious 12.26 (Nitrous)
2) LowSC2 12.4 (Nitrous)
3) 92saturnSS 13.33 (Nitrous)

DOHC
1) UnderdogSDA 14.21
2) Green Monstah 14.5
3) DonBaker 14.71
4) Applebit 14.8
5)SaturnMotorsportsOfCary14.84

SOHC
1) ProjectPhase1 16.61
2) Sh1FT 16.90
3) Wraith 16.98
4) jhsl1 17.2
5) SL_Sled 17.96

Ion
1) JGreen 15.48
2) schzzo97sc2 15.60
3) Chris 15.79
4) rascon11 16.06
5) IonJon 16.27

Updated 1/05

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Tuning Your Turbo Saturn - Part 2

by: Qksl2

MONITORING YOUR BALLS


Here, I will attempt to somewhat briefly explain what you should be
monitoring. You can't tune blindly, and you, just like your management system, are an input/output device. This time, your car is the input, you see what it is doing, and you generate and output to make the car do what you want it to do. Your inputs are what the car does, and you monitor these things through three key ways: Air fuel ratio, EGT, and knock. Other inputs are the sound, smell, feel, and driving characteristics of the motor. The gauges you need to have are a wideband A/F ratio gauge and an EGT gauge. A knock sensor readout is a very good idea as well, and nearly all other highly tuned turbo cars (think DSM and supra) use knock readouts as a way to tune. Your wideband is to your fuel tuning as your EGT gauge is to your timing tables. Your knock is an umbrella, which is affected by both. That's not to say that a hot EGT reading means you are running too little
timing, or visa versa. Unfortunately, it isn't that simple.

IGNITING MAH ASS

Boost makes cylinder pressure. Cylinder pressure makes the piston move. The piston moving makes torque. Torque makes power. Boost makes power. Fuel is just there to allow there to be a controlled ignition of the charge (air read: boost) and spark just sets things off before they set off on their own. Oversimplified? Horribly. True? For the most part. So if boost is what makes power, what does timing do? Traditionally, it is thought that 17 degrees past TDC (top dead center) is where you want peak cylinder pressure to be. You have the most "leverage" to do maximum work with limited energy (read: intake charge). With a steady burn rate of a naturally aspirated motor, most old almost dead dudes have figured out that about 35 degrees of advance gets peak cylinder pressures around 17 degrees past TDC. Let me try to explain this so more people will understand: You want maximum "kaboom!" when the piston is 17 degrees past TDC. There, the piston is in the part of its stroke where it will make most
efficient use of the pressure in the combustion chamber. Here, I won't explain why this is, so just believe me or I'll ban your jap ass. So to get maximum "kaboom" at 17 degrees past TDS, or ATDC (after top dead center), it is conventionally thought that 35 degrees of timing advance is best. That means that the spark happens at 35 before… and by the time that the maximum pressure from the expanding "kaboom" happens, the piston is at 17ATDC. Got it? The flame front speed and
maximum pressure along with the combustion chamber shape, fuel octane, and other factors will determine how long it takes after the spark for maximum cylinder pressure to happen, so how much advance is needed to make maximum pressure occur at 17ATDC will vary depending on conditions. When we add forced induction into the mix, pressures will vary, and the spark advance for peak performance efficiency will vary wildly as well.

Of course, this is all very general engine workings… and mostly applies to V8's non v-tak MDM (Mexican domestic market, we don't' make most yank cars in the United States Of W's Ass any more). So be that as it may, what does this mean to
us? Well, this basically doesn't apply. Why did I explain it to you in simple terms, then? Because you need to understand that before you can attempt to understand how to set timing for our cars. Most small displacement high boo…. Wait, let me say this, first. Given each and every setup, there is a maximum allowable cylinder pressure (most heavily determined by the map or load/boost value) that a certain cylinder can take at a certain RPM before pre-ignition. Pre ignition just being that the mixture or intake charge "kabooms!" before it is supposed to. Don't know what that is, look it up. Think pink, knock, or detonation. So there is a certain amount of pressure that the cylinder can take before it prematurely "kabooms!". Recall that the idealized 35 degrees of advance also gets us maximum efficiency for each "kaboom!". So combine maximum cylinder pressure with maximum efficiency and you get mad 3rd gear v-tak power, right? Yes, in a perfect world. However, we'll never get to that point. Not in my yellow life, anyway. Small displacement high boost cars will knock before you get to 35 degrees of advance under boost. Generalization? Yes. So sue me, ACLU. Reality though, seriously. Point is, we'd make a lot of power by running 35 degrees of advance and boost, but it's unlikely our cars can even run 35 degrees of advance with no boost on pump gas. Throw in a whole crap load of potential energy that is boost and you have a "kaboom" that'd make Hiroshima jealous.

So what do we do? We run as much advance as we can without things going "kaboom!" before they are supposed to. That means we get peak cylinder pressures as close to 17 degrees ATDC as possible. The effect on the power output of a motor with small timing changes is huge, as you can imagine. As you move peak cylinder pressures closer to optimal range, you can increase your power immensely. In fact, dropping the boost and increasing timing is probably most overlooked way of picking up horsepower there is. You run less peak dynamic pressures and lower your EGT's, while picking up horsepower, dropping your BSFC (look it up), and running a cleaner combustion process. Too good to be true? It's not, its just not experimented with, much. That's how we have hugely overboosted turbo 4 cylinders making some pretty pathetic numbers.

Setting timing. Saturns seem to like around 15 degrees at idle. Drop the idle down to 800rpm or so from 1000 and they like about 13. You can time an engine at varying RPM's by listening closely to the sound. It is very hard to describe, and is something that you'll learn with experience. When timing is too retarded, it will sound softer, with slower, longer exhaust pulses and a "rounded" tone. The gaps between each exhaust pulse will be longer, and it will sound lopier, or more like it has a hot cam. At the exact same RPM, the correct timing will sound smoother, and the engine will shake less on its mounts. The tone between each cylinder firing will
change less. When you add too much timing, you'll hear a sharper "crack" for each firing. When you tip into the throttle, it will try to respond quickly but misfire because the VE of the motor cannot keep up with the spark, in layman's terms. You want timing to slowly ramp up until the engine "clears its throat". There, you want to carry maximum timing until your start building significant boost, where you'
ll be forced to start backing off timing. Where you get maximum boost and torque lowest in the RPM band, you'll want to be most conservative with timing. As torque starts to drop off and cylinder pressures die down due to pumping losses at high RPM (read: restriction), you can usually add more timing. If you have you're a/f set pretty conservative and you are getting high EGT's, your first step will be to drop the boost until EGT's come down to a reasonably level. Now, at that same boost level, advance the timing while watching knock carefully, and ensure that you have not altered the a/f ratio by changing the boost. Watch carefully; if there is a reduction in EGT temps by adding timing, then you had taken out too much timing.


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Different Racing

Jeff and his team Different Racing have big plans on breaking into some really low quarter mile times this year. Last year he posted a 12.40 on a pretty healthy nitrous shot. This year he has a new turbo setup and some serious determination. Visit his website for the latest news and information. I expect we'll be seeing some low 12's from him by the end of the year.